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	<title>Comments on: Broken Educational Metrics: Office Hours</title>
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		<title>By: Dennis Phillips</title>
		<link>http://teachingcollegemath.com/2009/07/broken-educational-metrics-office-hours/comment-page-1/#comment-949</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with metrics, at least for me as a manager and teacher, is that the smart ones figure out how to play the game and get high numbers.  So just as in developing compensation plans for sales people, you better be sure that if the metrics are reached, you will reach your goals.  It is a great question.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with metrics, at least for me as a manager and teacher, is that the smart ones figure out how to play the game and get high numbers.  So just as in developing compensation plans for sales people, you better be sure that if the metrics are reached, you will reach your goals.  It is a great question.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://teachingcollegemath.com/2009/07/broken-educational-metrics-office-hours/comment-page-1/#comment-937</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about asking the students how accessible you are?  Accessibility of instructors is an issues that comes up time and time again when I do focus groups with students.  Some instructors have office hours at bad times (like 10 am when other classes are in session) and get dinged for that.  Others are praised for being available in their office most of the day willing to talk to students who drop by.

I would guess that if students feel satisfied that their instructor is available and willing to help them--whether that&#039;s in person during office hours or via any of the electronic methods you use regularly--then that&#039;s a decent metric.

I&#039;ll also point out that office hours aren&#039;t just about helping students.  Office hours are also a great opportunity to get a sense of how one&#039;s students are doing in the course: What do they understand?  What do they now understand?  What misconceptions do they have?  Are you going to fast?  Too slow?  This kind of feedback on student learning is very important for meeting students&#039; learning needs, and office hours (or some online equivalent) is a useful place to gather it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about asking the students how accessible you are?  Accessibility of instructors is an issues that comes up time and time again when I do focus groups with students.  Some instructors have office hours at bad times (like 10 am when other classes are in session) and get dinged for that.  Others are praised for being available in their office most of the day willing to talk to students who drop by.</p>
<p>I would guess that if students feel satisfied that their instructor is available and willing to help them&#8211;whether that&#8217;s in person during office hours or via any of the electronic methods you use regularly&#8211;then that&#8217;s a decent metric.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll also point out that office hours aren&#8217;t just about helping students.  Office hours are also a great opportunity to get a sense of how one&#8217;s students are doing in the course: What do they understand?  What do they now understand?  What misconceptions do they have?  Are you going to fast?  Too slow?  This kind of feedback on student learning is very important for meeting students&#8217; learning needs, and office hours (or some online equivalent) is a useful place to gather it.</p>
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		<title>By: monika hardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>monika hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow. nice find for me. thank you for such great ideas and insight.

we have been talking about seat time for kids as well. (highschool) - the more you teach as media and through media - the less productive mere seat time seems to be. so - do we change that up? how lovely would that be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow. nice find for me. thank you for such great ideas and insight.</p>
<p>we have been talking about seat time for kids as well. (highschool) &#8211; the more you teach as media and through media &#8211; the less productive mere seat time seems to be. so &#8211; do we change that up? how lovely would that be?</p>
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		<title>By: Janet Rice</title>
		<link>http://teachingcollegemath.com/2009/07/broken-educational-metrics-office-hours/comment-page-1/#comment-851</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A question - how do you &quot;do math&quot; via electronic communication?  I teach precal and stat at a high school level - and it seems like most of the one on one time I spend with students is at the board working problems - seeing what they&#039;ve done and coaxing them to find the next step.  On the other hand, I would like to make much more use of electronic means - so I&#039;m looking for ideas and tools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question &#8211; how do you &#8220;do math&#8221; via electronic communication?  I teach precal and stat at a high school level &#8211; and it seems like most of the one on one time I spend with students is at the board working problems &#8211; seeing what they&#8217;ve done and coaxing them to find the next step.  On the other hand, I would like to make much more use of electronic means &#8211; so I&#8217;m looking for ideas and tools.</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alicia Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very thorough post, Maria.  

I don&#039;t know very much about sales (except for being on the receiving end of sales calls), but I have to wonder if there is something out there that tracks sales communications between a rep and potential clients which could also be used (or tweaked) to track instructor/student relations. It 

The way I track conversations (outside of email) with my colleagues is by having all of them in one IM system and keeping message histories, but that isn&#039;t always convenient for them, and I would rather feel free to just talk with them wherever.  I use Xobni for helping me track and search conversations in email, and it would be great if that were extended to all ways of communicating.

Have you ever looked at evernote?  It might have potential because you can grab screenshots, grab websites, grab selected text, grab photos, etc and then tag each of those snippets.  It even scans and allows you to search text in photos or screenshots.  Plus, it works on and offline.  

p.s. Love the view you have out your window!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very thorough post, Maria.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know very much about sales (except for being on the receiving end of sales calls), but I have to wonder if there is something out there that tracks sales communications between a rep and potential clients which could also be used (or tweaked) to track instructor/student relations. It </p>
<p>The way I track conversations (outside of email) with my colleagues is by having all of them in one IM system and keeping message histories, but that isn&#8217;t always convenient for them, and I would rather feel free to just talk with them wherever.  I use Xobni for helping me track and search conversations in email, and it would be great if that were extended to all ways of communicating.</p>
<p>Have you ever looked at evernote?  It might have potential because you can grab screenshots, grab websites, grab selected text, grab photos, etc and then tag each of those snippets.  It even scans and allows you to search text in photos or screenshots.  Plus, it works on and offline.  </p>
<p>p.s. Love the view you have out your window!</p>
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		<link>http://teachingcollegemath.com/2009/07/broken-educational-metrics-office-hours/comment-page-1/#comment-843</link>
		<dc:creator>Our Own System &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Colliding worlds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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